If you are a true sweeper that may be ok but you may not see that big distance gain you are hoping for. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I've had plenty of clubs bent a degree or two and never had an issue with how the clubs performed, even a wedge. From my observation of thousands of golfers of all skill levels, far too many are deficient in the fundamentals, starting with the grip, and then to the set-up and only then to the swing motion. I do not disagree with you on the long irons Drew, we have hybrids to replace those. How accurate are the loft and lie readings of clubs straight from the manufacturer? And you are right about the irons listed, X Hot is a shockingly low launching iron and the G25 would be the exact opposite, with Rocketbladez mixed in the middle. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. You get to replace the 4 iron thats gone with something you can get in the air. I would be using it off the ground as well, a little of both. Novak has finished 11th after the first round in Hawaii, fifth at Torrey Pines and in the top-30 at Pebble Beach and at the Honda. I changed my Apex pro 19 2 degrees strong. I did this with my current set and the results are great. TM TP UDi #3, MC 4-7, MB 8-P w/ Tour V S+ I am in favor of weaker lofts. 4-6 more yards (depending on club and swing speed) and lower launch with less bounce. I do not find these to dig at all. Ping G30 irons w/Recoil 95 Free shipping for many products! I completely agree with this! Another point regarding GI/SGI clubs that I would love to see a fitter touch on is shaft length. That said, no equipment can make up for poor fundamentals in your approach to moving a golf ball around three to four miles of real estate in the least number of strokes. I'm guessing it will dig more but how much more? Thanks for everybody for your help! Offset degrees especially with a long iron can be a factor along with sole design. Backups:Ping Sigma G Tyne (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Clear editor. GolfWRX_Official I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. I am a club fitter also and see this every day. And here is why. A lot of mixing and matching Taylormade SIM UDI 2i / Diamana THUMP 100X, Taylormade P770 3i (bent weak) / Project X LS 6.5, Taylormade P7MC 5-7i, P7MB 8-9i / Project X LS 6.5. Never go more than 2 degrees when making adjustments. I was a little worried I might notice the offset or have trouble with hitting them fat, but they look perfect and play like they should. I just purchased a new set of 716MB irons. When you make the club loft stronger you decrease loft, when you make it weaker you increase the loft. All rights reserved. It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". TM M2 8.5* Graphite Design Tour AD GP 6X+ -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? The bounce on the 3-iron is already 0 degrees, so will bending the club for a stronger loft make the bounce go negative? (I ran into this today.) Ping G410 Plus Oban Kiyoshi Tour Limited Are their ways to ensure a club wont break? You won't notice it. Golfers change the lie angle of a club to better their chances of hitting the center of the clubface. Copyright 2020 GolfWRX Holdings, LLC. Display as a link instead, A 1 degree lie angle change, either flat or more upright, can cause a 4-yard difference either left or right of a straight target. They wont question a fitter who recommends that they switch to a 10.5-degree driver instead of an 8.5 or 9.5, because those are established as acceptable driver lofts. Adams A12 19 - Fuji HB 80X, PXG 0311X 4 - HZRDUS Red 105 X Hi everyone, sorry for the slow reply! 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. Bending the loft is another story. Here are the different ways fitters change the lie angle of a club: A club can either be bent to an upright position (toe higher than heel) or flat (toe lower than heel) usually in increments of 1 or 2 degrees. I created this website after hearing the same questions from my students over and over as a place where new golfers can come to learn and improve their golf game. Would they still be ideal? I already have a udi 2i and am too cheap to buy a 1i to replace it. This also gives me room for more wedges. Titleist U500 3 & 4 Oban Kiyoshi Purple Tour Reserve You must log in or register to reply here. Display as a link instead, How much will bending an iron affect how it plays? Bounce follows loft in a 1:1 ratio. Generall, Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Lynx Black Cat irons were set this way, so I had to have the 5 iron bent 2*, the 6 iron 1.5, the 7 iron 1.0 and the 8 iron .5 (this was my experimental set). Brent Grant always brings the energy ?? Long story short, I'm about to have the 5,6,7,8 iron bent 2 degrees weaker, 9 iron 1 degree weaker, and AW 1 degree stronger. With all due respect, I am not saying you do not, but club fitters do this all the time and if they mess it up then they can replace the club. For most players the answer is - MORE than we normally can bend static lof, Lower launch, lower flight (generally) but you lose some bounce and add offset, Titleist TSi4 8.25* / Fujikura Ventus Black TR 7-X with more loft than its designed for, so he cant go wrong by bending heads stronger. I think that makes a difference. At 100 mph you are obliterating the ground. sorry, didnt mean increase loft. Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. If you are taking big divots with a 2 iron you have some serious problems with your swing. By setting up with the ball 1" farther back in your stance, and all other things being exactly the same you are delofting the club by 1.6* based on the average length club.. Anyway, the scorecard couldn't care less what club you hit. It was suggested that I would bring my launch and spin down a bit with making my irons 1-2 stronger. As you watch PGA or LPGA golf, you will see very little personalization to this basic fundamental. Needless to say, some people need more bounce than others; pickers don't need much bounce but diggers do. I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. Yes, it would make the clubs a little 'longer' (with a lower ball flight), but it might not be worth it, especially if you already take a divot. Bag Old School Jones Original non stand. Hoofer, Ecco, Bushnell Chamblee takes on Tiger: Brandel, meet Bayless, Tweets of the week: Lizards, grammar police, bad greens, worse sunglasses. Good point. Military. Powered by Invision Community. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. If so why mess with perfection. This will give you a low-to-mid-range straight shot. After the back-to-back top-25s, he was a sneaky play at a long price for the Honda, but was never comfortable, withdrawing during the event with sinus issues. If the added ball speed of modern irons is not enough to achieve an ideal landing angle, I have to add loft. The new grooves should also be mentioned as allowing the ball to slide up the face a little more compared to the older grooves. I will also need to bend my irons 2 degrees flat according to a lie board. What if I get those numbers with a 7-iron, or a 5-iron? This will change the trajectory of the ball, and can potentially cause misdirected shots. weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Cleveland RTX4 50, 54, 58 Thanks for your advice, its been helpful. The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work. (more on this down below). Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Can you bend a metal wood? Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. OP, which is it you are asking about.. making a club 2* stronger or increasing loft? Wedges: Dynacraft Dual Millled 52*, SteelFiber i125 S -or-Scratch 8620 DD 53*, SteelFiber i125 S; PM Grind 19 58* -or-Wilson Staff PMP 58*, Dynamic S -or- Ram TW282 SW -or- Ram TW276 SW Bending strong 2* decreases bounce by 2* and increases offset by about .75mm. Driver: TM 300 Mini 11.5*, Tour Blue 85 X, 44" -or- Cobra Fly-Z+, Phenom NL 60 X, 44.5", 3w:King LTD, Aldila RIP Beta 90 X -or- TM Stage 2 Tour, NV105 X My name is Justin and I am a PGA Golf Professional. OK, quick question. Maybe manufacturers will take note (I doubt it, but keep trying. Production Manager Wesley Turner: Five Years in the Bag. Thanks for the insight! 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 The Honda Classic - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Genesis Invitational - Discussion and Links to photos, 2023 Waste Management Phoenix Open - Discussion and Links to Photos, 2023 AT&T Pebble Beach Pro-Am - Discussion and Links to all photos, Fitness, maximum efficiency for the time spent. All bending machines are not accurate in their readings. But they will still land on the green as soft as an older set of irons (if not softer). Using like say an Older Macgregor blade butter knife with a thin sharp leading edge on the sole if you deloft more than 1 degree or so you have a chance of digging to China. ***GIVEAWAY*** Cleveland CBX ZipCore Wedge! The basic fundamentals of striking a golf ball have not changed nearly as much as golf club technology, and those fundamentals have their roots dating back a hundred years to Bobby Jones and his peers or even further. Unless of course it's a long iron and you have a hard time elevating it in the first place. If you can get it in the air, no problem. ** Due to coronavirus and the work restrictions in place here in Michigan, for international orders, please email info@mitchellgolf.com for a complete quote. The average golfer hits a 7-iron to around 30 yards from the pin. Lofts don't always come in 4-degree increments. What affect would bending an iron 2 degrees stronger have? . If a golfer was a digger, will he/she still get somewhat better turf interaction with the GI irons vs. with a players irons? Sure. St Louis, MO. An ideal Launch Angle and Spin Rate for a Ball Speed with a 6 iron of 115 MPH would be right about 15-16* and 6000 RPMs respectively. A long iron doesn't have much bounce anyway since it was made to not take a big divot. This is a list of all clubheads that clubmakers are not allowed to bend. Well this article outlines a variety of statistics which will help you pinpoint which areas of the game you are above or below average. for the better golfer, these lofts leave nothing at the bottom of the bag. Bending the hosel toward or away from the face plane, opens or closes the clubs face angle. * MD4 54/10 S-Grind replacedMD3 54/12 W-Grind. The swing is dynamic and I seriously doubt that I can hit two balls on the course exactly the same, with my body being exactly in the same position every time. The G30 is a high-launching game improvement design. Everyone tries to boast yardage, not consistency and accuracy. On the opposite and gapping from AW to 9i is very wide about 16 yards about between clubs. If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. "If you have any doubt about the hand position, think of this scenario. Mr Divots, good point on the higher swing speeds, but like anything else we still see higher speed guys still launch the ball too low, it just is not as common as the low swing speed player. I have plenty of X-flex swing speed and don't need the high launch (that just kills me in headwinds), but like the forgiveness on mishits. Still, someone has to win, and, with such dead wood, punters might smile at this opportunity to nab the winner of an event returning to its status as an opposite event expect LIV to make an offer in 2024. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. Ping Redwood Anser- the "real deal!". My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. It will reduce the bounce of the club, but the actual effect will depend on your swing path. If jacking with strong lofting one you need to have a good fitter/ instructor work with you on your model suggestion and what will fit your swing. So, if you really want to get better at golf, start by learning how to hold the club properly. Typical launch angle would improve from 13-14* to 17-18*. So what makes 15-16 and 6000 RPM ideal? The concern is that all the fitting carts only have 6 irons and with the gaping on the 3, 4 and 5 irons lonely being 3* I am concerned on irons would react to my adjustments. There is no question that golf is one of the hardest, if not the hardest, games in which to become reasonably proficient. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. If my hands are 2" farther back or forward at impact that is + or - 3*. ProV1x-mostly. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. Im contemplating a set of Mizuno MP-53 irons. I know its different for each golfer depending on their individual characteristics but do you have rough numbers (for iron set) to be looking for in terms of launch angle, spin rate etc. One good example comes to mind. There only seems to be one logical reason to do this and thats just in the odd situation where someone needs more bounce. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. I draw the ball naturally so I dont want too much offset on the clubs, I think it will be easier if I just go and get some wedges to sort out the gapping issue. Maybe its conceptually challenging but when all sets came 3-PW with heads the size of your pinky-toe, golfers either left their 3 iron home or just used it for low punch shots back to the fairway; back then, a well-hit 6 iron would outdistance an over-muscled 3 iron seven times out of 10. We'll walk you through the process and offer some simple tips and trick. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. I also don't mind the little more offset I don't over cut it. I've bent tons of clubs.